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Death in Theory
Posted by Dave Email on 10/22/05 at 11:25:15 am
Categories: Capital Punishment

I have something better. A church that would rather die than kill.

--Stanley Hauerwas - Theologian, Duke University

As I have already mentioned, in taking a look at opposition to the death penalty it really needs to be looked at from two different directions. First, one must examine how the death penalty, in practice, fails in its quest for "justice". It simply is biased, arbitrary, and unfair. The discussion on the practice of capital punishment is located here.

But the second point is even more important, and that is discussing the death penalty in theory. The reason why this is more important is because it is possible that each of the practical problems involving the death penalty could be solved. I highly doubt that this will ever occur, but one must be able to form an argument based on the assumption that a system, in theory, works. Much of the discussion that is used to support the use of death as a punishment is based on theoretical arguments of "justice", "fairness", "vengeance", or "deterrence". So the question becomes this: if the death penalty did not have any of the serious flaws, biases, and other problems, would it be an acceptable form of punishment? And the answer is a resounding no.

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DETTERENT?


The first issue that many death penalty proponents talk about is that you need a severe punishment for a sever crime. Often times this argument is based on the idea that severe punishments will deter a person from committing a severe crime. The argument would say that because a person knows that they would be killed if they kill someone else, then they are less likely to commit that act of killing. The problem with this argument is that there is little, if any, support for this line of argumentation. Instead, most data points the opposite direction, showing that those states that use the death penalty have a higher murder rate than those without the death penalty. Amnesty gives a chart comparing the murder rates in death penalty states and non-death penalty states:

To be fair, this is very possibly a spurious relationship where there are outside factors that may be impacting the murder rate to a greater extent than the use of capital punishment. But this is starting point showing that it does not appear that the use of the death penalty is have a great impact on the murder rates, and if anything the murder rates are higher among states that use capital punishment.

But the studies do not stop there. Here are a few examples:

  • Researchers did a comparison of murder rates and rates of sub-types of murder in Oklahoma between 1989 and 1991, and found a significant increase in murders (both felony and non-felony) after Oklahoma resumed executions after a 25-year moratorium.
  • Researchers Keith Harries and Derral Cheatwood studied differences in homicides in 293-paired counties. Pairings were based on: geographic location and demographic and economic variables; a shared contiguous border; differing use of capital punishment. The authors found higher violent crime rates in death penalty counties.
  • The Bureau of Justice Statistics reports that the South repeatedly has the highest murder rate. In 1999, it was the only region with a murder rate above the national rate. The South accounts for 80% of executions. The Northeast, which accounts for less than 1% of all executions in the U.S., has the lowest murder rate.

Most criminologists agree with the assessment that capital punishment does little, if anything, to deter one from killing:

A survey of experts from the American Society of Criminology, the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences, and the Law and Society Association showed that the overwhelming majority did not believe that the death penalty is a proven deterrent to homicide. Over 80% believe the existing research fails to support a deterrence justification for the death penalty. Similarly, over 75% of those polled do not believe that increasing the number of executions, or decreasing the time spent on death row before execution, would produce a general deterrent effect. (M. Radelet and R. Akers, Deterrence and the Death Penalty: The Views of the Experts, 1995)

And one more study has found that the use of the death penalty may increase the likelihood for murders:

As you can tell, the percentage increase in the murder rate was significantly higher during the period where the death penalty was used:

Research reported in Homicide Studies, Vol. 1, No.2, May 1997, indicates that executions may actually increase the number of murders, rather than deter murders. Prof. Ernie Thomson at Arizona State University reported a brutalizing effect from an execution in Arizona, consistent with the results of a similar study in Oklahoma.

Put simply, there is no evidence that shows that killing someone as a punishment for a crime acts as a deterrent effect. If anything, the data appears to point in the opposite direction, showing an increase in murder rates once the death penalty has been instituted.

WHAT IS THE POINT


One argument in support of the death penalty is that of so called "justice". Many people believe that people must receive a sever punishment for a severe crime. They believe that this is what justice is, and that this is how the "punishment fits the crime". I have had people say with complete sincerity that they believe if a person rapes and murders someone, then they in turn should be raped and murdered. But to follow this logic once must really examine what the point of the whole thing is. What does one desire to accomplish through killing someone?

Too often you hear the argument that when you are in opposition to killing someone as a punishment you are for the guilty (and therefore against the innocent). But if one truly looked at the situation, one would be hard pressed to come up with a reason why killing the perpetrator benefits the family of the victim. What good does it do? There is little reason to believe the killing the convicted person will help the family of the victim. All too often family members look toward the execution as some form of therapeutic means to help them recover. But rarely does this actually occur. Killing a person does bring back the life of the person that they killed. All it does is create another dead person.

In reality, most proponents of the death penalty support it because they desire vengeance. They believe that a person must suffer because they made someone else suffer. But should we really be supporting a policy based on vengeance? Again...what good does it do? Does it really make us feel better because we caused another person to suffer and die? This goes back to the old cliché: "two wrongs don't make a right". So this then begs the question: "Why do we kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?"

CRUEL AND UNUSUAL


The Eighth Amendment of the United States Constitution states the following:

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

The last part of this amendment has been somewhat entrenched in controversy for years. What exactly does it mean to be cruel and unusual? I do not have the capabilities to argue Constitutional law on this issue, but I will quickly address this issue.

Let's be honest. It is relatively simple. Is it "kind" to kill someone? And it is "usual" to kill someone? All I did was take the opposite of each word. While I admit that this is quite simplistic, I think that it gives a pretty clear picture. There is do doubt in my mind that it is both cruel and unusual to end the life of another person against their will. And this is exactly what capital punishment does. No where is there a clause in the 8th Amendment that states that you can be cruel and unusual if the convicted person was cruel and/or unusual. I think one would have an extremely difficult time asserting that the use of death as punishment is anything but cruel and unusual.

GOD?


While all of the above arguments are valid, they hold limited weight in comparison to my faith. My Christian beliefs say that we serve a loving, graceful God. My belief in grace and redemption makes it impossible for me to support a system that erases any possibility for those things. I will give a brief look at just a few of the Biblical reasons that we should be opposed to the death penalty.

I have seen some attempt to make the claim that "guilty" life has less value than "innocent" life. This is how those who are "pro-life" justify their opposition to abortion along with their support with capital punishment. The problem with this argument is that it simply does match with Biblical teachings. Romans 3:23 has this to say:

all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

This verse makes it perfectly clear that there is no such thing as "innocent life". In turn, we look at look at Romans 5:23:

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Clearly you see two things from these passages. All have sinned, and we all deserve death. One can make the argument that sin lessens the value of one’s life. But one simply cannot make the argument that certain sins have a greater "lessening" effect than other sins.

Another of the "Biblical" arguments that is often used is the passage in Romans 13 referring to the "sword":

For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.

The problem with using this verse is that it completely takes this out of context. John Howard Yoder, Politics of Jesus, paraphrases like this:

whatever government does, it is serving God and therefore what it is doing is a ministry the Christian may rightly share."

According to Yoder, the “sword” does not refer to the state killing either in war or capital punishment. It was a dagger (not a weapon of war) that symbolized judicial authority.

Matthew 5 makes is clear that we are too love our enemies:

43 You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

This reminds me of my bumper sticker - "When Jesus said love your enemies, I don't think he meant to kill them." It is impossible to love your enemy and seek their death. It cannot happen.

We as Christians are called to something different.

We are not called to vengeance, we are called to love.

And in turn we cannot support a system that is built around vengeance.

[Cross posted at Street Prophets]


Comments, Pingbacks:

Comment from: Roland [Visitor] 10/22/05 @ 12:26 PermalinkPermalink
TONS of fallacies here.

For one thing, the whole "deterrent" thing doesn't even matter at all. Whether it deters someone else from killing is irrelevent. THIS killer isn't going to kill anymore and THIS killer is being punished for THIS killing.

Justice

Doesn't matter if it does anything to help the victim or not. THis is about the killer, not the victim. The killer is being punished for the crime he committed. Don't do the crime f you can't do the time. The crime must be punished.

Cruel & Unusual

when the Constitution was written, the death penalty was common and uncontrversial. It was not considered cruel or unusual. The Founders were talking about torture or mutilation (guillotines were all the rage back then).

God

total red herring as far as a secular judicial system goes. Forgiveness is a personal deciion for individuals not the secular state. Besides, individuals and sin is a different issue from society and crime. We're all sinners, but we're not all criminals.
Comment from: Dave [Member] Email · http://www.mindfulmission.com 10/22/05 @ 12:38 PermalinkPermalink
Roland...do you know what a fallacy is? Because you sure did not point any out!

For one thing, the whole "deterrent" thing doesn't even matter at all.

Maybe for you...but many people use that as an argument. I was simply addressing arguments that I have heard in support of the death penalty.

Doesn't matter if it does anything to help the victim or not. THis is about the killer, not the victim.

Again, same issue. I was addressing an opposing argument. And you are the one who is always arguing that you are on the side of the victim. This is your argument. I am saying that killing a person does nothing for the victim.

It was not considered cruel or unusual. The Founders were talking about torture or mutilation

If you knew anything about lethal injection, you would know that it was torture. Please...tell me how killing someone is not both cruel and unusual.

total red herring as far as a secular judicial system goes.

My faith is never a red herring. Much of my belief against the death penalty comes from my faith and the way that we are called to be as Christians.

Besides, individuals and sin is a different issue from society and crime. We're all sinners, but we're not all criminals.

Roland...do you realize what you are saying? You are the one who was arguing that sin devalued life. The Bible, instructs us how to live and act - both as a community and as an individual. It is amazing to me how you pick and choose what is relevant to a society and what is relevant to an individual. We are called as individuals to impact our society. We are called to love and not condemn. We are called to forgive and not seek vengeance. Do you agree with that?

If so...how do you reconcile your thirst for vengeance against murderers with Jesus' commands to love and forgive our enemies.
Comment from: gringo [Visitor] 10/22/05 @ 13:22 PermalinkPermalink
i think you missed the point roland in that execution actually encourages violent crime. that's what we mean by deterrent. it doesn't work.

"cruel and unusual punishment" were common place then, so was racism, sexism etc. it's about progress.

i'm not fighting your argument for justice and punishment but the death penalty clearly encourages the very thing we're trying to fight. even the folks with journey of hope (who actually know) argue that.

it doesn't work.
Comment from: Dave [Member] Email · http://www.mindfulmission.com 10/22/05 @ 13:33 PermalinkPermalink
Gringo...Roland's argument is not about "working". It is about vengeful punishment and retribution. Roland believes that a person that causes someone to suffer must be forced to suffer themselves. He doesn't care that it "doesn't work".
Comment from: Roland [Visitor] 10/22/05 @ 14:52 PermalinkPermalink
"vengeance". You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

I have already defined the difference between justice and vengeance. Vengeance is giving them MORE than what they deserve. Justice is about balance.

And I don't care if the death pentlay "works" as a deterrent. It "works" for that one particular killer and that is what matters. Each person should be judged on their own circumstances, not whether someone else's execution was a factor in them making a decision to kill someone.

We are called to forgive and not seek vengeance. Do you agree with that?

Christian individuals are called to that. Lady Justice is not a Christian. That entity's purpose is to pursue justice (not vengeance). David was forgiven for his sin with Bathsheba, but there were still consequences. Severe ones. Involving death.
Comment from: Dave [Member] Email · http://www.mindfulmission.com 10/22/05 @ 17:33 PermalinkPermalink
"vengeance". You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Tell me what it means. I gave you a definition of the word. Please tell me how the dictionary is wrong.

Vengeance is giving them MORE than what they deserve.

Where do you get this from? Vengeance is the "eye for an eye" principle that you advocate.

Christian individuals are called to that. Lady Justice is not a Christian.

No..."Lady Justice" is not Christian. But that does not mean that Christians should not attempt to impact the justice system.

Again I ask you: "how do you reconcile your thirst for vengeance against murderers with Jesus' commands to love and forgive our enemies." It is a simple question. How do you, as a Christian individual, seek vengeance in the light of Jesus' teachings on love and forgiveness.
Comment from: Roland [Visitor] 10/22/05 @ 17:41 PermalinkPermalink
I have a thirst for justice, not vengeance. It is immoral to not punish the wicked. How I handle my interpersonal relationships is different from how the state should handle law enforcement. If someone killed my parents, I would personally forgive them...and still expect them to be punished by the state.
Comment from: Dave [Member] Email · http://www.mindfulmission.com 10/22/05 @ 17:47 PermalinkPermalink
I have a thirst for justice, not vengeance.

Roland...listen to yourself. Listen to the rhetoric that you use. You are clearly seeking vengeance for Samantha Runion's killer. There is no other way to say it. And that cannot reconcile with Jesus' teachings about loving and forgiving enemies. It simply does not work.

It is immoral to not punish the wicked.

Again, this is a complete strawman. No one is saying that people should not punished. We are simply saying that they should not be killed. It is not difficult to understand.

If someone killed my parents, I would personally forgive them...and still expect them to be punished by the state.

I agree that the state should still punish them. But that does not mean the state should kill them.
Comment from: Roland [Visitor] 10/22/05 @ 19:17 PermalinkPermalink
You are clearly seeking vengeance for Samantha Runion's killer. There is no other way to say it. And that cannot reconcile with Jesus' teachings about loving and forgiving enemies. It simply does not work.


If I was after vengeance, I would call for him to be hung by his tonsils naked in a cave full of rabid bats. All I want is for him to suffer like his victim suffered. No more than that. That's fair. That's justice.

No one is saying that people should not punished. We are simply saying that they should not be killed. It is not difficult to understand.

Giving them less than what they deserve is hard to understand, especially from people who pay so much lip service to the words "justice" and "fair". It's like you only want things to be "fair" when it hurts the successful and good countries and not when it comes to murderers and terrorists. At least I'm consistently with the good guys.
Comment from: Mike [Visitor] 10/22/05 @ 19:41 PermalinkPermalink
What does eveyone think of this?

Do you believe that is possible that the personal hell of a person's conscience (upon realization of guilt) could be worse then the death penalty?

Is this wishful thinking on my part?
Comment from: smijer [Visitor] · http://smijer.com/blog/ 10/22/05 @ 23:30 PermalinkPermalink
I personally believe the Bible's only moral authority comes from the wisom of it's moral teachings, and is only authoritative insofar as it is wise. I do not believe the argument that it is authoritative because it is the word of the Creator - even in principle; that is, even if I believed it actually was the word of the Creator, I would not accept that it carried special authority because of that fact... this becomes a fairly circular and complicated line of reasoning, so I won't go into it... but I think that there can be no morality if we are not governed first by our own conscience and moral reasoning and that claims of Divinity or Moral Authority must be evaluated with respect to our own values and moral reasoning. To do otherwise is to commit the sin of the Nazi soldiers - "just following orders".

But, since Dave brought up Biblical perspectives on Capital Punishment, I thought it would be worth mentioning two...

One was pointed out by my minister after our presentation of The Exonerated Saturday night - that the first murder in the Bible was committed against Abel, by Cain, and that God did not employ the death penalty in that case. Instead, he gave Cain "life without parole in the land of Nod, east of Eden." That's interesting.

The second is the story of a death sentence carried out, by the direct authority of God, against a man whose "crime" was to gather wood to warm his family despite the fact that it was the Sabbath. As Jesus later taught, the real crime is to let one's family go hungry, not to "desecrate" the Sabbath. This is a pretty big contrast between the ethics of the Deuteronomist and those of the J source in the Genesis account... and I think it's a great place for us to recognize that the rough contrast between barbarian bloodlust and enlightened mercy is not something unique to the present age.
Comment from: smijer [Visitor] · http://smijer.com/blog/ 10/22/05 @ 23:44 PermalinkPermalink
Roland,
If I was after vengeance, I would call for him to be hung by his tonsils naked in a cave full of rabid bats. All I want is for him to suffer like his victim suffered. No more than that. That's fair. That's justice.
I did you the courtesy of highlighting the operative words in your statement. Vengeance is the act of indulging your desire to see someone hurt as retribution for hurt they have done. Fair? Maybe - probably if it happens as a natural result of the process of justice... but it can never be the goal of justice - because that isn't what justice is about. It isn't about indulging our visceral emotions. It is about righting wrongs. The death penalty only creates more wrongs... I would list them, but Dave has already done so more comprehensively than I ever could. It doesn't right any wrongs: It doesn't bring the victims back to life; It doesn't stop a "known" killer from killing again any more than does incarceration for life; It doesn't protect the innocent by deterring crime; in short, it does not put right a wrong. All it does is allow us to glory in seeing our desire for vengeance fulfilled, and prevent us from discovering and correcting a wrongful conviction. Neither of these things are just goals, even though it may be "fair" for the killer to suffer as his victims did.

At least, if the killer is alive and stamping out license plates, he is giving something back to the society from whom he stole a loved and valued member. It's impossible to give back anything approaching the worth of the life he took, but it's more than he'll give back dead... Even partial restitution is an effort at justice... An eye for an eye has no such goal.

One of those Biblical passages that carry authority because of their moral wisdom is this: "vengeance is mine, saith the Lord". Or, to put it as I would, being a secularist UU, "vengeance isn't the business of civilized society", and I would add for you and others who think as you do, "and neither is your idea of 'justice'."

Comment from: Roland [Visitor] 10/23/05 @ 19:55 PermalinkPermalink
Righting wrongs or not, it's the punishment due for specific heinous crimes. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. If you don't want to be executed, DON'T EFFING MURDER PEOPLE.
Comment from: Dave [Member] Email · http://www.mindfulmission.com 10/23/05 @ 20:05 PermalinkPermalink
Yes...we know it is punishment. Again, how many times do I need to say this? No one is saying that a murderer should not be punished.

What we are saying is that the punishment is cruel and unusual. We are saying that the punishment is very biased and arbitrary. We are saying that it does nothing to deter one from committing a crime (which should be the purpose of a criminal justice system). We are saying that it breeds more violence. And we are saying that it solely plays the role of quenching a thirst for vengeance.

And on top of that, it does not reconcile with the teachings of Jesus.
Comment from: smijer [Visitor] · http://smijer.com/blog/ 10/23/05 @ 20:20 PermalinkPermalink
Righting wrongs or not, it's the punishment due for specific heinous crimes.


Or, to paraphrase - "justice or not, it's the punishment I'd like to see employed for specific heinous crimes."...

Fine if you feel that way... Just don't try to dress it up with noble words like "justice". You feel like it is our job to see that the "books" get balanced... that everyone who hurts somebody gets hurt back... Well - ok... but tell it like it is... Say, "I like to indulge my sense of vengeance, and I think y'all ought to go along with my way of thinking." Then we can at least credit you with honesty, if not with moral clarity.

If you don't want to be executed, DON'T EFFING MURDER PEOPLE.


And also, DON'T EFFING BE IN THE WRONG PLACE - OR OF THE WRONG RACE - AT THE WRONG TIME WITHOUT 10'S OF $G'S TO SPEND ON A DECENT DEFENSE.
Comment from: tina [Visitor] Email 09/03/07 @ 22:55 PermalinkPermalink
you have got to be kidding me, some prick kills a 5 year old girl who is kicking and screaming while being brutaly raped, then layed out in a a field with her clothes off and leggs spread, well i dont know if there is a god to believe in but i sure the hell know there is lethal injection, and i would rather put my faith in that needle, at least i know it answeres prayers, because i know god didnt answere samanthas cries that day! KILL THEM PLAIN AND SIMPLY!

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