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Obama is Racist?
Posted by Dave
 on 02/26/07 at 03:08:57 pmCategories: Race Ravings, Right Wing Ravings, Barack Obama, Campaign 2008 Well, this is fun: Obamination: Barack Obama’s Black Supremacist Connection. The post looks at Trinity United Church, Barack Obama's church here in Chicago, and attempts to attack it as racist and "black supremacist." My favorite is how, as a commented pointed out, they equate "a persecuted group’s reflex to turn inward for support with the methods of oppression used to exclude them." This is one of the comments that I left over there: Look...African Americans have been persecuted in this country for hundreds of years. I have absolutely no problem with African Americans banding together to make the African American community stronger. You can equate this to white supremacists all you want, but the parallels break down almost immediately. Whites are the oppressors, and blacks where (and still are in a lot of ways) the oppressed. White supremacist groups were not only about the power of the white man, but also about the inferiority of others, specifically racial and religious minorities. Obama's church does nothing to give you the impression that other races are inferior to blacks. They simply stress the importance of empowering their own communities in positive ways. Black power is not about racism. It is about giving blacks power that they do not have. I am not sure why it scares you so much that blacks may actually try to obtain some power in this society where they are often powerless. I would love to see you give me specific examples where Trinity United Church talks about the "supremacy" of blacks over whites, which would be the definition of "black supremacy." Comments, Pingbacks:
Not only is it obvious Obama is a racist, it is sad that some people haven't figured it out. His church is about the most obvious case at blacks desperate to get revenge on whites. Black power is all over thier website their missions and such. If a church down South, or up North with all white members were to do that, it would be labeled racism and the left would be all over it. I beleive Obama is a joke in 08, and the only reason why he still is competitive in the polls is that people know very little about any of the canidates, especially Obama. The right knows this, and I beleive is hoping for him to beat out Hillary, even though she herself has no chance at winning. The right has all the dirt on Obama they need for a lifetime, and when the time is right, they will educate all the whites and hispanics and asians in this country who don't know what he is all about, which is Black power. Obama is a fucking joke, and the bomb will be dropped on him when the time is right.
Obama a racist what a joke. The things that are said in black Churches don't even ome close to what is said in white circles. blacks are tired of being called Monkeys, the N word, and all the other hateful things they are called by whites. Hate takes so much energy.A black person is gong to work and trying to take care of his/her family just like a white person. Every time a Black person does what they are told to do, goes out and gets the credentials (2 Ivy League degrees) the rules change. He is seen as an elitist because he is mored educated than the blue collar workers that won't vote for him.
Peace for keeping a nigga alive!
oh no
I'm trying to decide whether "Obama is all about Black power" is an improvement over "Obama is a crypto-Muslim who was educated in a madrassa" as desperate right-wing flailings go. But then, it's really just trading in a new fear for an old one.
I agree with Jack. I think it shouldn't be acceptable to be able to pull the race card or go on about black suppression. I disagree that there is suppression anymore. There is not only white on black supression but there is a lot of reverse suppression. Blacks, just as well as whites, are racist. The only way to move on from the past is to totally leave it alone and move on. To have everyone equal. Coming from a "minority" neighborhood, it is not unusual for reverse racism occur. "You can equate this to white supremacists all you want, but the parallels break down almost immediately. Whites are the oppressors, and blacks where (and still are in a lot of ways) the oppressed. " Blacks are not suppressed in present day anymore than white people are (reverse racism), indians, mexicans, females (sexism), or any other race. It is an unfair world, but the more someone is allowed to pull the race card or gender card it is only continuing this ridiculous cycle. It is true that maybe his church does not come out to say "blacks over whites", but the nation knows if a white church were to have "white pride" it would not just be about taking pride in their race.
You know I love it when blacks or white liberals come running to the rescue as soon as a black is called a racist. The rescuer doesn't know anything about the facts of the situation, and just begins hurling "bigot" in one direction as fast as possible. A racist is someone who supports one race over another, and who harbors ill-will or ill-feelings towards another race. Under my definition of racism, Obama fits the bill. Obama has written over and over again his historical mistrust and negative feelings towards the white race. He even called the white race, "that ghostly image..." in his book "Dreams". Also, it is important to note that in his own writings he is clearly obsessed with race, and his book, "The Audacity of Hope" is merely an attempt to white-wash, and distract from his earlier more serious anti-white racist rhetoric plastered all over the pages of "Dreams". Please let's call a spade a spade. He relates as being an AFRICAN, not half white, and push come to shove, he's going to support issues that support Blacks over Whites if he's the president.
A racist is someone who supports one race over another, and who harbors ill-will or ill-feelings towards another race. Under my definition of racism, Obama fits the bill.Come on... give me even one example where Obama supports one race over another. Give me one example where Obama harbors ill-will towards another race. I will be waiting. He relates as being an AFRICAN, not half white, and push come to shove, he's going to support issues that support Blacks over Whites if he's the president.Hmm... any evidence to support your silly assertion? You do know that he has a legislative history, right? And that history shows NO evidence of supporting "Blacks" over "Whites." But you probably know that already, being that you come here and post ludicrous unsubstantiated assertions without anything to back it up. Take your ignorant racism somewhere else.
If all you can do is link racism to the term "supremacy" than sir, you are correct. If I go to a white church that sermons not about Jesus and his love for all people and tolerance (we're not talking Dr King here), but instead, honors "Rev" Farrakhan, a black "supremist", implies something more. Actions speak louder than words. Just because we have some idiots that will form a group like the KKK or Nazis, every one stereotypes, whites are supremists and racists. There is no individualism in that phrase. It's a grouping "whites". It's a given, right? If any of the words the Rev. Wright says in the pulpit were spoken at a "white" church, OMG!!! Using minority numbers or even using the past to justify being racist is no better. It is still racism. To "charge" the community with anti-American, anti-White rhetoric is wrong. It does only one thing; breeds hate, contempt and another generation of racists. If Obama has been guided by this guy, he must have had some influence on him. I no longer trust Obama, that he will be looking after the welfare of us all. No other group hyphenates their home base, I'm not Egyptian - European - American. Aren't the people of America all Americans , just Americans? It is the mindset of the black community to completely seperate themselves from this country, it's probably even a shame that "American" is in that title at all. This country has gone through it's problems, it's fights, it's revolutions and I say it's time to unite, not seperate. Rev Wright is a racist and he is not helping the cause. Obama's affiliation with him has highly disappointed me.
If I go to a white church that sermons not about Jesus and his love for all people and tolerance (we're not talking Dr King here), but instead, honors "Rev" Farrakhan, a black "supremist", implies something moreYou clearly have never been to TUCC, have you? First of all, the Farrakhan stuff didn't happen during a sermon, so don't pretend it did. Second, I strongly disagree with your assertion that TUCC teaches black supremacy. Third, if you don't think that TUCC teaches about Jesus' love, again, you haven't heard much from the church, have you? No other group hyphenates their home base, I'm not Egyptian - European - American.So you have never heard of Native Americans? Or Asian-Americans? Aren't the people of America all Americans , just Americans?Sure... in theory. Unfortunately we still live in a country where there are African-Americans and female-americans and Mexican-Americans and all kinds of other groups who are still oppressed. It is the mindset of the black community to completely seperate themselves from this country, it's probably even a shame that "American" is in that title at all.The black community completely separates themselves? Since when?
Since Rev Wright has been saying God - (*) America. I don't where you live Dave, but what Wright preaches about when he gets "angry" trumps anything else he might preach about Jesus.
So one person saying God damn America means that the entire black community is completely separating themselves?
Really?
So one white person or group establishes themselves at a racist organization and now the entire white community feels that way? If I went to a KKK picnic because they do "good" things for the community, that implies nothing to you? Association does not exist?
Umm... where did I say that?
I never equated all white people with the KKK.
Not talking about YOU Dave, I'm talking about Rev Wright and Obama's association with him. Stop being defensive, this is not a personal attack.
Okay then... tell me where Rev. Wright compared all white people to the KKK?
Tell me where Rev. Wright says that all white people are racist?
There's YouTube video of his sermon caliing the USA the USKKKa, he calls the blue-eyed america "white america". I know that means nothing to you. But that's why i posted that.
That is fair.
Though I still don't see him saying that all white people are racist. I see him saying this country is racist. That is a very different thing. AND... I also think that a strong argument could be made that this country may be racist.
Fighting contempt with contempt is no answer.
Hmm... not so sure about that.
We should have contempt for certain things. Sometime you need to "fight contempt with contempt."
So if there was some kind of racist group of black people that made other black people look bad and a white preacher used it in the sense Wright used the kkk, that wouldn't make you mad?
No, but it does mean that anyone that would go to church Sunday after Sunday listening to that may pick up those feelings.
"May." May is a big word, don't you think?
I also think that if Obama would have "pick[ed] up those feelings," there would be some evidence of that, don't you think? I would like to see one piece of evidence - just one - showing that Obama is racist, anti-White, or anti-American. But I won't see it. Because you won't be able to find it.
If I felt that way and I was going into a presidential election I surely wouldn't utter it. The association means nothing I guess. But to me it says alot about what is tolerated. If he can tolerate it, he may be able to think it. He'd be fool to be in politics and voice it, but stand by and listen... that makes him innocent?
He hasn't always been running for President.
I don't believe that you can hide such feelings, and I think there is ample evidence showing that Obama doesn't agree with the offensive comments that Rev. Wright has said. But I am pretty sure that I am not going to convince you that Obama doesn't hate his country, his mother, his ancestors, etc. Does he think there are significant racist elements in this country? I sure hope so. But that sure doesn't make him a racist or un-American.
Well I think anyone is capable of anything and to just assume that Obama is beyond racism when he can condone, praise and guidance from such an individual as Wright. I work for US DOD and I had to explicity (under oath) that I have never had any delaing or associations with any anti-American or anti-government or anarchist organizations. If my background investigation would have pulled up some shit like Obama has on him right now, I'd never be cleared. NEVER! Even drug use is covered and I see a horrible double standard here. To imagine that Obama wouldn't even be able to hold the position I'm filling because he potentially wouldn't pass "Secret" level security clearance based on NSA standards is scary to me. I mean, we are talking President of the USA. Yet all of these events that destroy my career mean nothing to the Commander in Cheif elect. His association raises questions that will not and possibly could not ever be confirmed one way or another. It raises questions though... unanswerable questions (beyond the shadow of a doubt) are scary when politics and politicians are involoved, or national security for that matter. Trust plays a hugh part and he has placed public trust in a questionable state. You may not agree with it, you may not like it, but it will have a bearing on his campaign.
to just assume that Obama is beyond racismI never assumed anything of the sort. I work for US DOD and I had to explicity (under oath) that I have never had any delaing or associations with any anti-American or anti-government or anarchist organizations.Well... I think such requirements are silly, for one. But also, I have no question that Obama would be able to clear that check. TUCC is not an anti-American, anti-government, or anarchist organization. One person, even the leader of an organization, saying offensive comments does not mean that the organization is anti-American or anti-government. Trust plays a hugh part and he has placed public trust in a questionable state.Perhaps... I have never denied that, and he will have to work to make sure that people associate Obama with Obama's views, not Rev. Wright's views. You may not agree with it, you may not like it, but it will have a bearing on his campaign.I never once said that this would not have a bearing on the campaign, did I? I think it absolutely will have an impact. I don't think it should, but I do think it will.
I never said you said it, did I? I said you may; then again you may not. But actually you did just say that you don't agree with it which was in the same top sentence of my post (50/50)??. If you stop being so goddamn defensive you may actually be a joy to discuass stuff with.
You know... your continual arguing and responding to my comments would imply that you are just as defensive as I am.
If you come on my blog and make assertions that I disagree with, I will tell you. And yea... at times I get defensive. And at times I get argumentative. And tonight I started in a shitty mood, which probably didn't help.
We're not talking hard evidence here. It's his association that brings his credibility into question. I would feel the same way with any one running for public office. There should be no favorites.
That's fine; you have a right to do and feel whatever you want.
But I don't question Obama's credibility based on a handful of quotes from Obama's pastor. And I see no evidence that Obama has ever shown a racist, anti-American, or anti-White attitude.
Well his wife wont even say the pledge if that counts for anything. And he's running for president! Now why the hell would he keep her if he didn't share the same views.
What the hell are you talking about?
Since when does Michelle refuse to say the pledge? Please stop making things up.
Come on its plastered all over his book. How he is more for Blacks the Whites. He says that he would talk with one of his friends about white folks this and white folks that. And he has a white man. Truly a disgusting man. I'm mixed to. Indian/white. But I would never talk about either. And if my Cherokee dad could marry a white woman (trail of tears) hmhm. Then black people can get over slavery. I think being forced off your holy land or killed is far more worse then picking cotton.
He says that he would talk with one of his friends about white folks this and white folks that.OH NO!!!! He is talking about white people? Heaven forbid. I hate to tell you, but Barack Obama is not white, and CANNOT live the life of a white man in this country. While he has a white mother, he has dark skin, which means that he is treated as such. Trust me - I have seen this in my own experiences of knocking on doors and hearing racist people talk about the "black man" running for President. And he has a white man.He HAS a white man? Who is this white man that he has? And if my Cherokee dad could marry a white woman (trail of tears) hmhm. Then black people can get over slavery. I think being forced off your holy land or killed is far more worse then picking cotton.You are ridiculous. First of all, the Trail of Tears was awful. But to pretend the suffering was worse than other suffering is just silly. If you really think that slavery was just "picking cotton," then you have a helluva' lot to learn about slavery. You do realize that slaves were TAKEN from their land, right? You do realize that they were not just forced to pick cotton, but were forbidden to learn? You do realize that they were often beaten, even to the point of death? But yea... it was just "picking cotton." Do me a favor - take your crap somewhere else if this is what you are going to spout.
Jay,
Welcome to the real world...if one parent is black the individual is black. Obama is black, not half white. Racism is a cancer in this country and believe it or not, Obama is out to help Americans-not Black Americans...Talk about racism...whites have been looking out for whites since day one. Why do you think this country is so against the Blacks and Hispanics to begin with? Mean while Asians and Indians are accepted because they can do things that the whites in this country can't do anymore-like math and science, computers, medicine...you know,the hard stuff.
i don't believe that you just said if one parent is black then you r black,it appears you r saying black is a dominant color,we r a nation divided buy color,and ideals like that r what are keeping us sick,if anyone is racist they can't complain cause both sides r being represented,by a well educated man who was raised by a white woman from kansas,i actually feel sorry for people who r mixed racially,cause they r probably ashamed of both races.
Blacks are extremely mistrusting of any white who even has an inkling of a racist idea. If a white person at any time in his or her life had a racist thought, he or she is deemed to forever be a racist.
Blacks are extremely mistrusting of any white who even has an inkling of a racist idea.Well... I am white, and I am mistrusting of any person who has an inkling of racism.
It is you my friend, who are first and foremost arrogant, and then ignorant. Have you read his book "Dreams"? Have you read his book "The Audacity of Hope"? Have you gone to the website of the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago?
If so, you are really stupid if you think I haven't backed up my statements. If not, shut the f up. Have you read his book "Dreams"?Yes. Have you read his book "The Audacity of Hope"?Yes. Have you gone to the website of the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago?Yes. If so, you are really stupid if you think I haven't backed up my statements.So I guess I don't need to "shut the f up," do I?
Jay,
Guess what you have souch hate and hostility in you...if you dont think a minority travels a much harder road than his majority brother you must be living in a different country....Thse books talk abut the Black experience. what he overcame and how he made it...How many blacks have graduated from Harvard? Don't get it twisted, being a minority in this country is no day at the park. This is from someone who never plays the race card telling you this...if you think the playing field is level you are crazy. It has taken a hundred years after Emancipation to pass a civil rights act and 40 years after the assassination of Dr. King to get a Black person with a legitimate chance to even take a sniff at the Whitehouse.
uring college, Obama disapproved of what he called other “half-breeds” who gravitated toward whites instead of blacks. And yet after college, he once fell in love with a white woman, only to push her away when he concluded he would have to assimilate into her world, not the other way around. He later married a black woman.
Such candid racial revelations abound in “Dreams,” which was first published in 1995, when Obama was 34 and not yet in politics. By the time he ran for his Senate seat in 2004, he observed of that first memoir: “Certain passages have proven to be inconvenient politically.” “There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote. “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.” He added: “To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.” Obama said he and other blacks were careful not to second-guess their own racial identity in front of whites. “To admit our doubt and confusion to whites, to open up our psyches to general examination by those who had caused so much of the damage in the first place, seemed ludicrous, itself an expression of self-hatred,” he wrote. Just small examples for those who disagree with me. You know it's really interesting when someone disagrees with your point, they call YOU ignorant. Yet their arguments are shallow, empty, and without reflection. That's what I call ignorant.
I don't see one piece of racism there. I see someone who is trying to figure out where and how he belongs in the context of his racial identity.
I also see that being about a young college kid. If you think a young college kid struggling with his racial identity means that he is racist, I am really not sure what to tell you.
Jay,
That's just it...I have been trying to tell you...welcome to the Black experience. Blacks discriminate against other Blacks and successful Blacks get labeled as sell-outs...ask Bill Cosby.The successful Blacks get persecuted for moving out of the neighborhood when we make it...A whole bunch of sh*t you couldn't begin to fathom Blacks deal with on a daily basis. Barack had to be a chamelon at Harvard, "He had to get in where he fit in." I was ridiculed by other blacks in my neighborhood for going to and graduating from college. If youre Black, "It's are you going to College?" if you're white, it's where are you going to college." You can't understand what a Black man writes about the Black Experience because you're not Black. just like I could never tell you about the White Experience because I'm not white.
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"They simply stress the importance of empowering their own communities in positive ways." Yet a white centrist group that preaches empowering their own community are racists and white supremisists. Perhaps the backlash over the views of Trinity United Church would not be so severe if African American community were not so critical and intolerant of white unity/pride. The only thing oppressing American blacks is a mindset of victimology.
The only thing oppressing American blacks is a mindset of victimology.Right. Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Then ask yourself why blacks are disproportionately represented in prisons, even when considering the higher rate of crime among black populations. And then ask yourself why blacks, with the same employment/educational background and other qualifications, have a less likely chance of getting a job than the white person with the same qualifications. I could go on, but my guess is that you don't care about actually dealing with facts.
Well maybe the reason why there are so many blacks in prison is because they did something and its a more black populated area. Like new york or California. Thats like saying that nigeria's government is racist because theres more blacks in their prisons
Hmm... have you read anything else that I have posted?
I have posted numerous studies that have shown serious discrepancies between the rate of crime and the rate of incarceration. I have also posted studies showing that there is serious racial discrimination within the criminal justice system. Try reading some facts before you make ignorant comments.
Here we go with the crime and thug mentality that is so prevalent when Blacks are mentioned. First of al, all blacks are not criminals and second of all the courts discriminate and force them to plea bargain-manufactured evidence. Yes, are there people out there breaking crimes? but don't get it twisted...there are whites committing crimes too-at a different level. Blacks are blue-colar criminals and whites are white-collar criminals...Enron, MCI, Subprime lending, Michael Millken and all he other corporate scandals out there.
I think the race question is irrelevant. What is really relevant is the poverty level and the lack of quality education. No matter what race you are, white, black, mixed, hispanic, etc... you formulate your opinions based on your own life experience. Educated people tend to realize this, and analyze their past life experiences such that they can deal with and overcome the subliminal messages that are driven into our head everyday and that cause us to formulate "racist" opinions. Rap songs with the 'N' word, clothing stores marketed to the different races, MTV, old country, rebel flags, television humor, all of these things perpetuate and amplify the differences between whites and blacks. I was in an elementary school yesterday eating lunch with one of the teachers, and I noticed that all the black kids and all the white kids were congregated on different sides of the table. Kids aren't racist. Their parents didn't tell them to sit away from each other. It's just a natural phenomenom given the different cultures in which these children grow up. The parents are perpetuating segregation by being so damn different from one another. This is a unique phenomenon that occurs in the U.S. due to it being a melting pot. Cultures are encouraged to be different instead of being encouraged to blend. This is a good thing for the preservance of cultural history, but it's also going to cause certain problems to arise. I.e. if those elementary school students continue to naturally segregate themselves, you are eventually going to wind up with two types of adults. Those who are educated and overcome this natural phenomenom and those who never explore the question of why they were segregated in their youth, and as a result, wind up perpetuating the segregation by not showing their children what the other culture is like. I know this is long and all over the place... But what I'm really trying to say is that people need to face these issues and overcome them... Thus, no matter who wins, I'm glad that there is a white and black candidate. Oh... Btw, it's totally irrelevant who wins, they're both going to do the same shit anyways. =)
Billy,
You're right1 It happened when the were celebrating 50 years of integration at Central High School at Little Rock, AR One of the original llittle Rock 9 students noticed it while visiting the school 50 years after the land mark decision. All the whites were on one side of the rom and all the blacks on the other side of the classroom. It happens in Corporate America too. If you go t the cafeteria you'll see all te different ethnic groups eating together in their own sections...some sprinkle over, but for the most part they stay with their own group...they used to call us "Little Africa" when I worked for General Electric.
Okay white people: If you think things are equal why do black inner cities have the worse education, which in fact is NOT equal to the white suburban counter parts?
Now, why people don't understand racism. They say that the anger displayed by the Rev. was full of anger...it WAS, at RACIST WHITE PEOPLE- if you're not racist, the comments weren't directed at you...But you have to know, in this country, black people hate racist white people more than anything else... White people: I get this all the time, and it shows your ineptitude and flaws: Why can't you say white power? Say it if you want, but you DO realize that what white people who are supremacists say, right?? So, how am I supposed to know that you have pride, or you're not a supremacist? they don't all wear hoods. And if you think Obama is racist, that lovey-dovey liberal, you're an idiot.
lisa, your a jackass. The reverend doesn't discrimnate against "racists", what about Latinos?? it's just "white America". Yet another example of a racists justifying racism.
No personal attacks.
Do it again, and you are banned.
Lisa,
When I said the race question is irrelevant, I wasn't implying that race wasn't the cause of these problems. As Barack said in his speech today, past race issues caused much of the segregation, but today we shouldn't focus on the color of skin, but rather on the problems within the system. I grew up in rural AL, where there were two ghettos with two different names: the trailer park and the projects. Both white and black people suffer based on transgressions of previous generations. I will relent that the suffering of blacks tends to be more widespread, but they are no longer suffering simply because they are black. They are suffering because they are growing up in areas where their ancestors suffered for being black. Poverty, poor education, and te like exist everywhere and are problems with our society. As Barack said, we can only overcome these problems by "binding our particular grievances – for better health care, and better schools, and better jobs - to the larger aspirations of all Americans," not just to those of one particular race. Billy
We cant do anything you idiot. If a white person even says black we get nailed to a wall.
First... personal attacks are not allowed. Do it again, and I will delete and ban.
Second... I AM white. And I am perfectly comfortable talking about race issues. And being that you just said black, and you haven't been nailed to a wall, you should stop making things up.
I dont think Obama's racist anymore. They probaly would have caught him by now. Seeing as they probaly monitored every last conversation and call he made, as well as e-mails or text messages. Don't want a black version of hitler. But wright no doubt is. And everything is basically equal it just matters where your at in the U.S. Here in Indy everything is the same for blacks and whites. Sometimes its a little unfair because some people like to use the race card to get a job stealing from better qualified people.
But wright no doubt is.Right... I remember when Wright called for the extermination of entire races. Do you think about things you write? Sometimes its a little unfair because some people like to use the race card to get a job stealing from better qualified people.Ah yes... the "stealing jobs" line. You are so predictable.
toby,
So you think some blacks just got a job from a more quaified white person? And how many times do you think qualified blacks get passed over? Barack has two Ivy League degrees do you think he has got a free pass. All a black person wants from Affirmative Action is a chance to interview. I/We don't need a handout or for the standards to be lowered. I end in saying how many qualified blacks don't even get a chance? Lok at Labor Unions.they arejust a way to keep undesireables...minorities out!
After listening to recorded sermons and statements made by Obama's mentor and Pastor anyone can conclude that his Church is racist. His personal relatinship with the pastor and church and the organization in general has a hidden conspiracy. You will note that the racist pastor stepped down as head of the church in the last two weeks. This is part of the conspiracy--The smoking gun of who the Real Obama is and what he represents.--Anti American--anti white --and Racist to the core.
Real Obama? Right... so Obama is Rev. Wright? That is news to me.
Do you go to church? Do you hold every view that your pastor holds? I know that I don't. I would like to see one example of Obama being either anti-American (does that mean he hates himself), anti-White (again... does he hate himself? or his mom?), or racist. Just one. And his pastor's are not examples of Obama's views.
So what you are saying could equate to any part this:
Yes, I stood by as countless Jews were gassed, while countless blacks were hung but I did nothing about it, I silently stood and watched. I marched in the cleansing parades, I've been witness to drug deals, murders, rapes but I am not an accomplice. No guilt by association here your honor. That simply does not exist. I said nothing, I did nothing, to include leaving. Though I did nothing but witness these things that I do not agree with, time and time again, I am against everything that occurred.
OK...????
Was he held at gunpoint or something???? Was his presence not voluntary? If he didn't agree why the hell would he stay???
WTF? Seriously?
Somehow saying some bad things equate with the gassing of the Jews? People are taking a small handful of inflammatory comments out of years and years of preaching. And then somehow trying to make it that in turn, Obama is a racist and unpatriotic. But wow... Rev. Wright = Hitler now? You have to be kidding me.
Those were called "analogies" Dave. Not nplying anything, using extremism to prove my point. Mush like Rev Wright does.
I know what an analogy is. And I am saying that your analogy is more than ridiculous.
You seriously just compared Obama staying at TUCC to someone who stood idly by while Hitler committed genocide.
As a matter of fact I have changed churches twice because of particular sermons that really rubbed me the wrong way. I was in such strong disagreement I chose to go elsewhere. for twenty years this guy was Obama's mentor/teacher ----Obviously he agrees with the teachings of a minister who presided over his wedding, child baptism's and has identified him as a mentor.--Pretty clear to me what is going on
Did you listen to his speech today?
Do you still think that Obama agrees with Wright's statements?
Yes I heard the man speak. If any white candidate had attended any meeting that lamblasting black people they would not be given a second chance. Two of Hillary's aids have been released from their capacity recently for racially connected statements that amounted to nothing. Obama also had to admit he was present after initially saying he wasn't present during inflamatory speeches. He in fact lied by now admitting it because it can be proven and he knows it. If David Duke presided over McCain's childs baptism do you think he would be connected to a racist? Of course he would. The statement God Damn America is the icing on the cake. The congregation should have walked out as I would have with Obama leading the rebuttle. Obama cannot separate himself from this no matter what he says. What a double standard white people allow in this country relating to racism. Like sheep being led to a slaughter. With blinders on I might add.
If any white candidate had attended any meeting that lamblasting black people they would not be given a second chance.Well... John McCain sought out the endorsements of religious bigots, and has been give a free pass on it, so I am not so sure I agree with you. Obama also had to admit he was present after initially saying he wasn't present during inflamatory speeches. He in fact lied by now admitting it because it can be proven and he knows it.Wrong... you have no idea that Obama lied. Obama said he was not present for the specific inflammatory comments that Rev. Wright made. And in yesterday's speech he said that he was preset when some things were said that could have been controversial. There is no lie there. If David Duke presided over McCain's childs baptism do you think he would be connected to a racist?If you really think that Jeremiah Wright and David Duke are in the same category, I am not sure what to tell you. The statement God Damn America is the icing on the cake.Hmm... interesting. I have no problem with him saying God damn America. The congregation should have walked out as I would have with Obama leading the rebuttle.That would have been difficult, considering Obama wasn't even there.
Prior to these events I would have considered Obama as a candidate.-He is not morally qualified to run our country based on who he openly has identified as his mentor. Hey go ahead and vote for him. Its a free country. But if I was you I would review -- "Murpheys Law"
Actually... that would be "Murphy's law."
And I am not worried about seeing this racist, anti-American, anti-white side of Obama that has never been seen, but somehow will allegedly show up sometime when he is President. Vote for who you want... just curious - who is that?
By the facts I will have to vote for McCain----He is a patriot who loves our country. He does not endorse anyone who despises everything we stand for and have accomplished in our great country. He certainly has no chip on his shoulder and cannot be influenced by special interest groups. He knows what the long term issues are in the world game of chess. He does not need money and cannot be bought. He will make the best, informed decisions that he can make, as tough as they are, for the long term "best interest" of our country. His experience for the position of president is clear. I am sure you know he was a prisoner of war but did you know he also was on an aircraft loaded with bombs ready for takeoff when an errant missile from a phantom hit his plane causeing an explosion and resulting fire that ravaged an aircraft carrier causing the deaths of over 130 Americans during the Vietnam War. Read about the incident. We need a man of his calibre and experience in these dangerous times, and a person who loves his country. I will vote for McCain.
Every election cycle voters insist on candidates who love our country and are patriotic. Why? I think it's about time we had a president who hates our country and has sworn to do everything he or she can to make it a worse place to live.
(That was sarcasm, my point being that one doesn't devote the energy and resourced necessary to run for public office unless he or she has a genuine love for America)
First, I think it is quite clear that you would not have voted for Obama anyway, based on your reasons voting for McCain.
He does not endorse anyone who despises everything we stand for and have accomplished in our great country.McCain DOES endorse offensive bigots. Which, in mind, goes against what this "great country" is about. You can see two of them here and here. Of course, I probably won't here much about them, because they are good conservative white Christians. He certainly has no chip on his shoulder and cannot be influenced by special interest groups.Right... no influences by lobbyists. Let me guess... you believe is a "straight talker" and a "moderate" also, right? And no chip on his shoulder? Seriously? I am not sure which John McCain you are talking about, but the man that I have observed sure acts like he has a chip on his shoulder. He knows what the long term issues are in the world game of chess.Yet he doesn't even know the difference between Sunni and Shiite or Iran and al-Qaeda. His experience for the position of president is clear. ... I am sure you know he was a prisoner of war ...I know his military history. But being a prisoner of war does not qualify a man or woman to be president, nor does being in the midst of an explosion. and a person who loves his country.Once again, you imply that others do not love their country. I would still like to see one example - just one - where Obama says anything leading you to believe that he does not love his country.
Dude all that Im really peeved about is when people compare every white person to who ever it is that is racist. You wouldnt compare a black person to a black racist would you........ thought not. Not every white person is racist, and not every white person is wealthy. People complaining about white people who are rich are stupid anyways. That would be like going to Asia and complaining about the Asians being rich.
Umm... what?
You comment makes no sense.
I am a member of a church that five years ago, my pastor did not believe that women should not serve in the church and with faith and prayer God has changed that and now the women do a lot of things in the church, including speaking, ushering, their own group and fund raising. God will take us through any hard times and disagreements. Do not keep changing church, but go to God for anything that you do not agree with. You must remember to ask God for guiding and understanding.
I agree with the "reverse" part, it's not "reversed"... it's just good ole fashioned "racism". The very definition of the word: ("racial prejudice or discrimination", look it up) does not cover minority or majority groups. That's what racists use to justify the racism. To imply that a racial group cannot be racist simply because of social standing is moronic, racism is a belief an individual holds and/or practices. Just because it's coming from a minority group member doesn't make it any different. The reversing doesn't exist; it's just plain racism.
This is my last, one quick question. Dave, I gotta know, man how old are you? Are you in college? You gotta be, your so left-wing, far left-wing that I would place you around 20-22?? Close? You seem to lack conventional wisdom is why I ask. This is my first time to this site and I've never met a forum where I'm responding to the defensive ranting to the article poster.
Dave, I gotta know, man how old are you? Are you in college? You gotta be, your so left-wing, far left-wing that I would place you around 20-22??Nope... not in college. Not in my early 20's. Nice try though. And only people in their early 20's are "left wing?" Interesting. You seem to lack conventional wisdom is why I ask.And I lack conventional wisdom? Please show me where. You come onto my site and immediately start making personal attacks, and then you start making claims asserting Obama is anti-American, anti-white, and racist based on what someone else said, and you say I lack conventional wisdom? This is my first time to this site and I've never met a forum where I'm responding to the defensive ranting to the article poster.Well... I have never met a forum either. And I don't know what it means to respond to "the defensive ranting to the article poster."
Than you are well behind your years. Where are your facts, where are your justifications? You write a little blurb and people resond and you spend your time coming up with very non-imaginable ways to discredit anyone else's opinion that might not coincide with your own. I wasn't comparing the gassing of jews with what occurs at that church but I do recognize that that is the ONLY thing you pick out. You are not looking for discussion, it's post and defend. Have fun guys PWOT.
Hmm... lets take a look at what you said:
So what you are saying could equate to any part this: Yes, I stood by as countless Jews were gassed, while countless blacks were hung but I did nothing about it, I silently stood and watched. I marched in the cleansing parades, I've been witness to drug deals, murders, rapes but I am not an accomplice.Yup... no comparison there! You also compared what Rev. Wright said to "cleansing parades" and "drug deals, murders, rapes." But you are right... I am not looking for discussion. Instead I have to spend my time responding to such ludicrous assertions.
WOO!! We made it into the top 10 commented posts! :)
You used me Dave. I feel so ashamed. Well if it's any consolation, I just saw on the news that the Supreme Court is stepping into this. So maybe someone will think the association with Wright is a little more than just idly standing by.
Nope... sorry... didn't use you. I really couldn't care less if this post is in my top ten commented posts.
I was just trying to have a little fun and lighten up the conversation a little by posting a meaningless comment. And why is the Supreme Court stepping into the Obama/Wright situation? I am looking for some kind of story on it, and am finding nothing.
Editor note: Jo Blow's comment was deleted because of his ignorance and racist rhetoric.
If you want to try to have a discussion, bring up legitimate points without using racist slurs.
It's funny how everyone tries to think that people are all one and race shouldn't matter, but the government itself asks what background one is for census purposes, and asks outright if you are a visible minority or not on national job applications and such.
They then have all the facts and figures to break down statistics such as education, income, household size by race. If race didn't matter so much, why does the government keep all these stats? I just read a book on Urban Sprawl, and it broke down everything by race. I guess we are not all equal after all. And the word visible minority is very degrading, how is this even acceptable? It's asking if you can easily be spotted as being a "minor" part of the population - the word minor makes one feel insignificant as well, as opposed to words like major or strong.
If you really want to know the real Obama just come and live in Illinois.
The O decided to buy a beautiful house on the south side of chicago.Nice area,far from the poverty of his own people. But in CXhicago they are still shooting and killing our young . Black and white. Where is Obama? This is HIS TOWN.HIS SOUTHSIDE. Recently, as you all know, we had another blood bath @ NIU. Where was he again? Why did he not stand forth and speak with that tone of anger for the killings of our children. To be honest, Hilary nor any Rebublicans stood up either. But the bigger issue is: THIS IS OBAMA'S HOME STATE.HE CARES VERY LITTLE ABOUT OUR FUTURE:OUR CHILDREN. He only cares for himself and all those that protect him. Guns do not discriminate on color. As the children die on the southside and others are murder across Illinois, he will only speak about his hidden race issues. What a sorry state we live in. If this is what we have to give the rest of you as a possible Presidential canidate, I pity our poor nation. If you really want to know the real Obama just come and live in Illinois.Umm... okay. Oh wait... I already live in Illinois. The O decided to buy a beautiful house on the south side of chicago.Ah yes... lets attack him for having money. But in CXhicago they are still shooting and killing our young . Black and white.And how is this Obama's fault? Obama had actually been one of the strongest proponents of gun control legislation aimed at curbing the violence in the city. Recently, as you all know, we had another blood bath @ NIU.Umm... again, how is this related to Obama? Why did he not stand forth and speak with that tone of anger for the killings of our children.He did speak about it. What did you want him to do? Once again, Obama often led the way on issues of guns in Illinois. You would think, being that you seem to care so much about this issue and live in Illinois, that you would know that. Seriously... go peddle your crap somewhere else if you are going to come here and make claims that it is Obama's fault that there is gun violence in Chicago, or in DeKalb.
Dave in the words of slipknot "ive gotta say what ive gotta say and then i swear ill go away but I caNT promise you'LL enjoy the noise." Your a fucking dick Dave you think everything that bad happens isnt so horrible unless it happens to a black person(s). So fuck you you ignorant asshole. Obama should be dealing with his own damn state and defending it. I defend my own damn town he should do the same damn thing with his state. So fuck you Dave,
Your [sic] a fucking dick Dave you think everything that bad happens isnt [sic] so horrible unless it happens to a black person(s).Umm... what? Where did I say that? Why do you keep making things up? So fuck you you ignorant asshole.Ignorant? Yet you are the one spouting both racism and blatant lies. But somehow it is me who is ignorant. I see.Obama should be dealing with his own damn state and defending it. I defend my own damn town he should do the same damn thing with his state.What? Again... what the hell are you talking about? So fuck you Dave,Heh... when you don't have anything logical to say, just attack the person. Do me a favor and don't comment here anymore.
I think that the most important thing Obama said in his speech last week was that both blacks and whites have unresolved issues that still have to be resolved.
We need to have frank discussions about race in this country. We need to realize that the powerful people in this country don't care what color you are when they send the jobs of all people to foreign countries, send all of our children to die in a war we have no business being involved with, and allow people of all races to live without adequate health insurance or retirement benefits. America is all about taking our money, regardless of our race. Obama is the only candidate speaking to these truths.
It would be great if all citizens could discuss unresolved racial tension and issues. However, as a white person, if I say anything that could even remotely upset a black person, I am a racist. I can't be genuine or say that it upsets me that every employee I see in Fulton County is black even though the constituents of the county come from many different races. I feel reverse racism in my own government buildings. But I can't discuss it.
I don't think I could openly discuss this frustration at Pastor Wright's church. I don't believe it would be well received. My white opinion does not count. My concerns do not matter to Pastor Wright and his church followers. So the resolution can't happen. I wish it could.
Race is often a hard discussion because all of the stereotypes come into play with preconceived notions about blacks and whites...all whites are not bad and all blacks aren't bad either. This thing didn't get broken over night and it's not going to get fixed over night either. You can speak your mind as a white person just know that blacks have opinions too. We see the world through different eyes and experiences. Quit thinking that all blacks are criminals, thugs, welfare recipients, and that we don't take care of our children. All stereotypes because there are blacks that fall into those categories. There are whites that fall into those categories too. We have had Black CEOs of Fortune 500 companies, black billionaires...Oprah, Bill Cosby and Robert Johnson (BET) and many successful black entrepreneurs thanks to periodicals like Black Enterprise Magazine. Quit blasting us all the time and look at what has been accomplished despite the obstacles. It is not easy being a minority in this Country. But only in America can you realize your dreams with hard work. At the end of the day we are all Americans.
The only thing oppressing American blacks is a mindset of victimology.
Right. Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Then ask yourself why blacks are disproportionately represented in prisons, even when considering the higher rate of crime among black populations. -Dave Hmm. Well I would go with occam's razor: Perhaps because they commit more crimes? But I'm sure that is too obvious for you, since you are inferring that blacks are put in prison because whitey likes to fiendishly oppress them. So I guess your solution is to let enough blacks randomly out of prison so that the politically-correct racial balance is achieved? Thanks Dave. Now I remember why I would never vote for a liberal like you or Obama to occupy the most powerful position of responsibility in the history of the world. And then ask yourself why blacks, with the same employment/educational background and other qualifications, have a less likely chance of getting a job than the white person with the same qualifications. -Dave I doubt the truth of this statement. My experience is that employers compete mightily for qualified minority employees, because the government grades them on diversity. Failure to do so could impact whether they land government contracts, etc. However let's assume for the moment that you have a reliable source. I would venture that some employers don't want to risk a lawsuit if ever it became necessary to fire a minority employee, or pass over the employee for promotion. Institutionalized racial discrimination euphemistically called 'affirmative action' has made darn sure that blacks and other special minorities are put ahead of white and Asian kids (who have never owned slaves BTW). So another reason blacks and other favored minorities might be passed by, could be that the employer presumes that the minority candidate is not as qualified, since he probably benefitted from 'affirmative action' in the college admissions process. The solution to both of these scenarios would be to put the race merchants; like jerimiah wright, louis farakkan, jesse jackson and al sharpton; out of business for good. Max is right: The only thing oppressing American blacks is a mindset of victimology perpetuated by ministers like wright and politicians like obama. Perhaps because they commit more crimes?Well... to some extent this is true - blacks do commit more crimes than whites, but unfortunately blacks receive harsher penalties for the same crimes, even when factoring in other factors. But blacks are in prison at a disproportionate rate to the crimes that they commit, and receive harsher sentences than their white counterparts. But of course, you probably do not want to hear actual facts, do you? So I guess your solution is to let enough blacks randomly out of prison so that the politically-correct racial balance is achieved?What the hell are you talking about? Where did I ever say anything of the sort? I don't want racial balance in the prisons. I want a fair and just criminal "justice" system. I doubt the truth of this statement.You can doubt it all you want, but it has been shown in numerous studies. You can see examples here and here. But again, it doesn't sound like you actually want to hear facts, so you may just ignore the actual research that supports what I am saying. I would venture that some employers don't want to risk a lawsuit if ever it became necessary to fire a minority employee, or pass over the employee for promotion.Right... so employers use racial discrimination in their hiring practices to avoid lawsuits in their termination practices? That makes all kinds of sense. It is really, really easy to avoid a lawsuit. Fire incompetent employees and promote the best ones, regardless of race or ethnicity. But sure, go ahead and justify racism in the hiring process so that they can avoid racism later. Institutionalized racial discrimination euphemistically called 'affirmative action' has made darn sure that blacks and other special minorities are put ahead of white and Asian kids (who have never owned slaves BTW).Really? Your ignorance of the effects of affirmative action makes me laugh. So another reason blacks and other favored minorities might be passed by, could be that the employer presumes that the minority candidate is not as qualified, since he probably benefitted from 'affirmative action' in the college admissions process.Wow. Yup, that is not racist, at all. So basically you are saying that all, or at least almost all, people of color that have educations and qualifications do not really deserve it? That is asinine. I don't really think you get it. Employers hire whites over blacks based on equal qualifications. And you justify it by using other racist justifications. Unbelievable. The only thing oppressing American blacks is a mindset of victimology perpetuated by ministers like wright and politicians like obama.
Wow. Yup, that is not racist, at all.
-Dave Correct. The presumption, that minorities who unfairly benefited from 'affirmative action' may not be qualified, is the predictable result of libs' disgusting institutionalized racial discrimination. In college I had two friends in pre-med, one white and one black. The white fellow had a 3.9 GPA and was active in campus life and held leadership positions whereas the black friend had a 2.8 and was less involved. The black friend got into med school in a blink of the eye, whereas the white friend had to first go to grad school for a year then re-apply. That occurred about 35 years ago, during the supposedly ‘racist’ 1970s. So if you want to find racism, then there's a perfect example. Now let's suppose someone with the above experience, has a life-threatening illness or an injured wife and needs to find the best qualified physician he can. Do you suppose he might avoid selecting a doctor who may have been less qualified, but had the right skin color to get into med school? You could smear such a person ‘racist’, but if his life or the life of a loved one is at stake, I doubt he would really care about your silly multi-cultural b.s. No, indeed this attitude has nothing to do with racism on the part of those doing the selecting and the hiring. It has everything to do with racism on the part of those doing the racial discrimination via 'affirmative action'. Indeed 'affirmative action' is not fair to qualified minority applicants who would have been admitted anyway. If I were a highly qualified minority person, who had been tarred for life by this 'soft bigotry of low expectations', I would be mad as hell. The abominable ‘affirmative action’ must go; everyone must be judged by the content of his character, not the color of his skin. Now how much more important is selecting the U.S. President, than choosing a doctor to save one person’s life? Superficial, guilty white libs adore Obama for his winning smile and his goofy empty promises of ‘hope’ and ‘change’, but most importantly for his politically-correct skin color, not his non-existent Presidential qualifications. Furthermore, libs are willing to give Obama a pass for his life-long close association with jerimiah wright, the moral equivalent of david duke. That would never fly with a non-black candidate. An objective observer might term this phenomenon ‘hypocrisy’. So if you want to find racism, then there's a perfect example.Yup... personal anecdotes are perfect ways to support arguments. Or not. Do you suppose he might avoid selecting a doctor who may have been less qualified, but had the right skin color to get into med school?Well... first of all, your implication that one's undergraduate GPA has anything to do with a doctor's qualifications is asinine. Second, if you really think that every, or even most, black people are only in their positions because of undeserved promotions, acceptances, and other affirmative action activities, then yes, I find that to be racist. If I were a highly qualified minority person, who had been tarred for life by this 'soft bigotry of low expectations', I would be mad as hell.Well... here is an idea. Then stop the "tarring" and stop making racist assumptions about people. Now how much more important is selecting the U.S. President, than choosing a doctor to save one person’s life?What are you talking about? Not really sure how selecting a president has anything to do with you have said, but if you are trying to imply that Obama is in the position that he is because of affirmative action or anything like that, you will need to support such a ridiculous assertion better than you have. Yup... you are right. I only like Obama because the color of his skin and his "empty promises." How do you know me so well? jerimiah wright, the moral equivalent of david dukeHahaha. You don't know much about Wright OR David Duke, do you? But go ahead, take a 5-6 minute video clip of random things Wright has said during his 30+ years of ministry. That would never fly with a non-black candidate.HA! Right... I guess you have never heard of John Hagee or Rod Parsley then. Take your racism somewhere else. I really don't want to deal with it right now.
I see. So a liberal asks "Is Obama Racist?" and takes comments expecting ... what? Perhaps trying to showcase Conservatives who are blatantly racist? Finding none, but rather finding only reasoned arguments which the cannot be logically refuted, naturally the liberal can only attempt to them shout down with the expected epithet "racist", "racist", "racist".
“Black men turning on black men – that is fighting the wrong enemy. You both are the primary targets in an oppressive society that sees both of you as a dangerous threat.” -jerimiah wright Does this sound like a man of God, spreading the love of Jesus? No indeed, wright is a vicious bigot encouraging bitter young hoodlums to focus their rage only on white victims, because they deserve it anyway. I admit I don’t know much about david duke, but I doubt even he has said anything so viscerally disgusting. Jerimiah Wright is Obama's hero; his mentor and lifelong 'spiritual advisor', not just someone who happened to say something nice about Obama once or contributed a dollar to his campaign. But please keep trying to defend this hateful bigotry; it just demonstrates the transparent hypocrisy of the liberal. And please continue to pretend that Obama is some wonderful guy, but he won't fool the majority of average folks in the general election. And that will have absolutely nothing to do with your liberal paper tigers like "white racism" or "Diebold election fraud". I see. So a liberal asks "Is Obama Racist?" and takes comments expecting ... what?No... I have no problem with having a discussion on whether or not Obama is racist. Unfortunately you haven't even come close to that discussion. You respond with racist and asinine comments saying that blacks are less qualified because of affirmative action. Finding none, but rather finding only reasoned arguments which the cannot be logically refutedWell, I am still trying to see you reasoned arguments, but they are not there. You make ridiculous assertions, and I respond to them as such. naturally the liberal can only attempt to them shout down with the expected epithet "racist", "racist", "racist".FURTHER... I have had reasoned conversations with people in this thread who have not resorted to making blatant racist statements about blacks in this country. But, of course, it is clear that you would rather create emotional arguments supported by personal anecdotes and a small handful of statements that Wright has made. Does this sound like a man of God, spreading the love of Jesus?First, I refuse to make a judgment of a man based on a very small handful of statements. Second, I do not think that Wright's statement there is that far off. I admit I don’t know much about david duke, but I doubt even he has said anything so viscerally disgusting.Disgusting? Saying that blacks are oppressed by society? Saying that this society views young black men as "dangerous threats?" You sure have a different idea of disgusting than I do. You want disgusting? Take a look at David Duke. If you don't think these are more disgusting than anything Wright said, I am not sure what to say: “The Jews are trying to destroy all other cultures - as a survival mechanism - the only Nazi country in the world is Israel.”Do you really want me to keep going? Hell... David Duke has gone as far as saying that it is a myth that gas chambers were used to exterminate Jews in the Holocaust. Yet somehow you think that Rev. Wright and David Duke are somehow similar, even though you admit that you know little about Duke and it is clear that you know little about Wright.
Affirmative action was supposed to equal the playing field...there are still very few blacks in Corporate America. All blacks want from affirmative action is a chance to apply and interview for the job...we don't need the standards to be lowered. I graduated from UNC with honors and have worked for Fortune 500 companies for the last 20+ years without any set asides. I earned it! And if you see a black person where you work trust me they earned that position too.
Hey, fucktard. Wright isn't Obama.
Like duh.
I think its simple Whites and blacks will never get a long in America. Everywhere else theyll get along but not here. Im actually thinking of getting my Jewish friends to blame all blacks for slavery in Egypt and blame every blond haired blue eyed person for the hollocaust.
That is funny, because I am white, and I get along very well with black people.
Do me a favor and don't comment here anymore.
I'm talking mass majority. I know that some can, look at the band Kill Switch Engage. A heavy metal band with a black singer. (frickin awesome by the way) Maybe we could learn from them. There must be a reason why they all get along so well? Maybe he doesn't try to blame them for crap they did not do!
Toby,
You are the type of person that keeps us divided. Damn dude do you have any black friends?
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You are blind and stupid. The proof is right in front of your face and you can't/won't see it.
Thanks for supporting your arguments thoughtfully.
I understand much better now.
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He sat in that hate church for 20 years. That means he ate up what that racist Jeremiah Wright taught INLCUDING - these are his words folks: the destruction of white people. A vote for Barack Obama is a vote for hate.
Hate church? You don't know much about that church do you?
And do you have a source for your alleged quote from Wright, which you say is "in his own words?" And of course, you have so much credibility, being that you are peddling an asinine story about Obama sexual and drug history. So please, take it somewhere else.
Obama can't and doesn't hate whites-my friends are prejudiced that doesn't make me prejudiced. By the way churches are one of the most segregated institutions in this country. Wright spits venom and is obviously angry...I don't agree with him, but i do see where his anger comes from he is frustrated with the establishment.
You are blind and stupid. The proof is right in front of your face and you can't/won't see it. -Juboi Yes, so it would seem to a normal observer. However, Dave is quite intelligent, yet is a perfect representative of the rabid Kool-aid drinking leftists who can detect the slightest whiff of imaginary racism in their opponents, yet deny the most egregious examples of racism among their own liberal buddies. These hypocritical libs are eager to ruin the careers of decent folks like Imus and Trent Lott, just for making an intemperate remark, but willing to forgive Obama for his warm embrace of the stark racial hatred spouted by jerimiah wright for 20 years. Most Christian churches were founded by a folks inspired with Jesus' love and a yearning for spiritual truth. However, Obama's church is founded upon the bitter principles of 'Black Liberation Theology', which was tayor-made by James Cone, to encourage hatred of whites by blacks: If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. -James Cone During 1992 in Los Angeles there were bloody riots in the wake of the Rodney King verdicts. A truck driver named Reginald Denny was pulled out of his truck, beaten stomped, and had his head crushed with a brick by a racist thugs. Another fellow, in my neighborhood going to help a black friend, was pulled off his motorcycle and shot through the head. Hundreds of shops owned primarily by Korean-Americans were burned to the ground, and anyone trying to fight the fires were shot. All the while the local African-Methodist-Episcopal (AME) Church, and congresswoman Maxine Waters excused and encouraged this barbaric behavior. Eventually the National Guard was called in and the rioting stopped after six days of mayhem. In all 53 people died, there were 2,383 injuries and $1 billion in property damage. Something similar happened in Watts in 1965, during which 34 people died and 1,032 were injured. Why? Simply because some racists despised others for the color of their skin. How many people, in the Chicago area alone, have been victims of murder and violence because of the kind of racial hatred being belched by execrable race merchants like jerimiah wright? jerimiah wright, and anyone who cheered him week-after-week, is quite objectively a repulsive racist of the worst kind. This is not just some goofy little political game; lives of innocent people are at stake, and jerimiah wright and his ilk must be held accountable. Dave has just posted an article in another thread which bemoans the fact that Obama's loving 'pastor' remains a hot topic after a couple of weeks. We are about to decide who will become the leader of the free world but our concern, that the past behavior of one of the candidates appears reveal hatred of America and support of racial hatred, is blamed upon ... you guessed it … our own 'white racism'. BWAHAHA. I submit that the average person is decent, rational and knows who he is in his own heart. He is also wise enough to know when he is being played by a smiling shyster like Obama. No, Dave is not blind, because that would be an insult to blind folks, who believe what they hear, not what some leftist apologist like Dave tells them they should hear.
First... I love how you completely ignore everything I wrote in response to your previous comment. But I shouldn't be surprised.
Most Christian churches were founded by a folks inspired with Jesus' love and a yearning for spiritual truth.And so was TUCC. Once again, you make it very, very clear that you know very little about TUCC. Obama's church is founded upon the bitter principles of 'Black Liberation Theology',Founded on? Last I checked it was founded on the Bible. During 1992 in Los Angeles there were bloody riots ...How are the Rodney King riots, or the Watts riots, related to Rev. Wright or Obama? Seriously... this is not a platform for you. If you want to try and draw connections between things where there are none, go start your own blog, but don't do it here. that the past behavior of one of the candidates appears reveal hatred of America and support of racial hatredShow me one example of Obama's hatred of America. Just one. People keep coming here and spouting this crap, and I keep asking people to support their assertions, and they never can. And you can't either. is blamed upon ... you guessed it … our own 'white racism'. BWAHAHA.Where did I blame questions about Wright on white racism? I never did such a thing. But you are developing a reputation of making false, unsubstantiated assertions. not what some leftist apologist like Dave tells them they should hear.I have never told anyone what they "should" hear. But you probably already know that, and just continue to make shit up. I also love that you, of all people, are saying that I tell others what they should hear. Go back and read what you have written. You have done a very good job at telling everyone else what they should hear.
his mom was white you dork. jesus.
First... I love how you completely ignore everything I wrote in response to your previous comment. But I shouldn't be surprised.Yes, thanks for confirming that david duke is indeed a racist, as everyone already knew. But so is jerimiah wright, and the fact that libs agree with his message was kinda my whole point. Obama's church is founded upon the bitter principles of 'Black Liberation Theology. Founded on? Last I checked it was founded on the Bible.If you think Cone’s 'Black Liberation Theology’ religion is based upon anything but racial hatred, then you are delusional. Among other things, Obama’s church pretends that Jesus was black, not Jewish. All whites are routinely demonized. In fact, the only pictures of whites engraved in its stained glass windows are white cops and judges viciously ‘oppressing’ the downtrodden black man. How are the Rodney King riots, or the Watts riots, related to Rev. Wright or Obama?As I demonstrated, preaching racial hatred and victimology has consequences in real life. Obviously the targets of the racism are fair game for violence, but racism’s first victims are the racists themselves. By reinforcing these gullible folks’ victimhood, belief in phony conspiracy theories, and resentment of others, black leaders are not empowering them with tools for living, prospering and being happy. Wright didn’t care that he was poisoning their minds with envy and hate, just as long as they put money in his collection plate. Obama also is happy to do the same as long as they will vote for him. Show me one example of Obama's hatred of America. Just one. People keep coming here and spouting this crap, and I keep asking people to support their assertions, and they never can. And you can't either.Obama’s pastor, jerimiah ‘God Damn America’ wright, clearly hates America; Obama heartily embraces his pastor and his unpatriotic values. Obama will not wear an American flag, nor place his hand over his heart upon hearing the nation’s anthem. Obama’s wife has stated that she has never been proud of America. Is it unfair for American’s to wonder whether Obama loves America? Obama’s now trying to cover up his distain for America with a ridiculous number of American flags surrounding him, but no one is fooled. Seriously... this is not a platform for you. If you want to try and draw connections between things where there are none, go start your own blog, but don't do it here.Since it appears you are begging for mercy, I graciously accept your concession. Yes, thanks for confirming that david duke is indeed a racist, as everyone already knew.Except you said you didn't really know anything about him. And I still say that Wright is not anything CLOSE to David Duke. At all. If you think Cone’s 'Black Liberation Theology’ religion is based upon anything but racial hatred, then you are delusional.I have never read the book, nor did I say anything about the book. So don't pretend that I did. Have you read the book? Or are you making more assumptions about things you know little about? All whites are routinely demonized.All whites? Once again, I can only assume that you know little about TUCC. In fact, the only pictures of whites engraved in its stained glass windows are white cops and judges viciously ‘oppressing’ the downtrodden black man.Yea... I have read the exact same post that you have read. The one that had no bias whatsoever. As I demonstrated, preaching racial hatred and victimology has consequences in real life.You did not demonstrate anything. You talked about Wright. Then you talked about the riots. Then you claimed that AME excused and encouraged it. And you made absolutely no connection between preaching and violence. Instead you used wild conjecture to try and prove your point. Obama also is happy to do the same as long as they will vote for him.Stop. Seriously. I don't want to hear it anymore. You cannot show ONE example of Obama "poisoning their minds with envy and hate," and you know it. So stop pretending it is true. Obama will not wear an American flag, nor place his hand over his heart upon hearing the nation’s anthem.Oh heaven forbid. Neither do I. I must hate America. But in reality... he DOES place his hand over his heart during the national anthem. But instead of dealing with the facts, you will point to the one example that shows him doing something differently. Obama’s wife has stated that she has never been proud of America.No she hasn't. Stop spreading lies. If it continues, I will start deleting your comments. Obama’s now trying to cover up his distain [sic] for AmericaOnce again, stop. Now. Not wearing a flag pin is not showing "distain" for America. Since it appears you are begging for mercy, I graciously accept your concession.What are you talking about? I am not begging for anything, and I am especially not begging for mercy, nor am I conceding anything. Seriously... I know that you go around the internet searching for "obama is racist" and other things, and try and spread the same crap all over the web. Well move one; go do it somewhere else. I am tired of refuting your lies.
I feel if the government really wanted to make everyone feel equal, they would not consider race for anything. One nation for all. By the way, I am half native american indian.
Exactly, Rob. I am 1/32nd Native American, but 100% flag-waving American. I am disgusted by racial discrimination regardless of who does it. Affirmative action is a disgrace.
Yet you are the same one who assumes that blacks are less qualified than whites simply because they are black.
Yup... you do a great job of not judging someone by his or her race.
Wrong.
Liberals created 'Affirmative Action' to discriminate against people based upon skin color.
Wrong about what? You make it pretty clear above that you think it is fair to assume that an African American candidate is less qualified because they are African American and "probably" benefited from affirmative action.
Your spin is still wrong. I emphatically do NOT believe that someone may be less qualified because of skin color or any other superficial attribute. Only an ignorant person would believe that.
For example, 'Affirmative Action' exists only because of that very assumption on the part of goofy, ignorant liberals. My sympathy is for highly qualified 'beneficiaries' of 'Affirmative Action' whose reputations have been tarred for life with this de facto assumption.
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Stay on topic or go somewhere else.
I don't know that Obama is a racist but he surely is a feckless opportunist. If he really cares about poor blacks then he should be rallying to fix the East St.Louis levy before the next abundance of rainfall causes another national embarassment and loss of life like the one experienced after hurricane Katerina.
I may not be a Christian, Jew, or Muslim but I know hate when I hear it. Any racial group that holds antipathy for another racial group is racist(eg.Rev. Wright). You can parse all you want but the truth is Obama went to a hateful, racist church ( for 20 years no less). He even called this hateful pastor his "spiritual mentor".
Then when questioned about it pleaded ignorance.That tells me he his either an idiot (a man without good judgement) or a liar. Which is it? Further, We are all SOUL. As such, soul is not black/white,male/female,Democrat/Republican. We need more people who think inclusively like this. Both Obamas are ethnocentric and set bad examples for all Americans who need to come together to solve racial divides.
Also i would like to reply to sally. I was for Obama or at least leaning his way. But I have to say if Obama thinks anything like the way you do god help us and im going for McCain. He wont place his hand over his heart when they sing the national anthem or wont wear an american flag, our president needs to represent this country with all our entirety or not at all. Its the little thing that we as americans do that keep this country's spirit alive. AMERICA IS THE ULTIMATE POWER ON THE PLANET RIGHT NOW, WE NEED A PRESIDENT WHO CAN KEEP IT THAT WAY!!!
Also i would like to reply to sally. I was for Obama or at least leaning his way. But I have to say if Obama thinks anything like the way you do god help us and im going for McCain.Well... hopefully you are smart enough to not make a decision based on some random person on the internet. But further... do you really think Obama agrees with Sally? Sally is calling Obama racist? He wont place his hand over his heart when they sing the national anthem or wont wear an american flagDo NOT spread lies around here. You are wrong about both of those things.
Obama will not wear an American flag, nor place his hand over his heart upon hearing the nation’s anthem.
Oh heaven forbid. Neither do I. I must hate America.Indeed I certainly do. It is evident that Liberals do not see anything fundamentally wrong with the vicious hatred spread by jeremiah wright, and celebrated by Barack Obama. Why? Because most Libs have the very same core beliefs about the endless litany of alleged evils of America and her something-less-than-utopian race relationships. What this controversy has exposed is the true view of America by Liberals ... just like Obama. Indeed I certainly do.Yet you don't actually address anything I said. Shocking. and celebrated by Barack Obama.Celebrated? Back up your statement. How has Obama celebrated Rev. Wright's "vicious hatred?" Because most Libs have the very same core beliefs about the endless litany of alleged evils of America and her something-less-than-utopian race relationships.You are right, to an extent. We DO believe this country has done evil things, many of which have been blatantly racist. And we do not pretend that racism is no longer an issue. Deny it all you want - you have already done so earlier in this thread, even when confronted with research. You just pretend it doesn't exist. I guess life is easier when you pretend your country is perfect, and you pretend that hatred and bigotry only exist among liberals. But seriously... you can go find another blog to spread your lies and ridiculous assertions. You are most definitely wearing our your welcome here.
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Obama is a racist. You are sad and disillusioned to think that for one second a person could go to a church like that for 20 years and not believe the racist things and propaganda the black preacher says.
Get over slavery. Every race has been a slave. ALL THE SLAVE CATCHERS IN AFRICA WERE BLACK! No one is oppressing the black people but themselves. Especially not the Whites when Africans sold their own people out to Whites. Anyways, THERE IS NO MORE SLAVERY OR SEGREGATION ANYMORE! Do people fail to realize this? The only people keeping blacks in the ghetto are themselves and the belief that other "outside forces" are there oppressors. Until they stop blaming white people and start doing something their selves, it's going to stay like that!
First of all... don't use multiple names to spout your crap.
Second of all... this post is not about slavery. And segregation DOES still exist, just not explicitly. It is not more hidden. Just take a look at public school systems in urban areas. And yea - keep denying that racism doesn't exist. Funny - I just posted something about race and the death penalty that shows CLEAR examples of racism and discrimination.
Racism is found only among whites; blacks can not be racist because they don't have any power. (Unless of course you mean the power to burn down cities or run for President.)
Blacks are put in prison at higher rates than whites, so obviously this means that America is racist. It couldn't possibly mean that blacks commit more crimes. Same for the higher proportion of men in prison, although women commit more crimes. /channelling Dave /channelling DaveWhat the hell are you talking about? Please tell when I ever said any of this? Blacks are put in prison at higher rates than whites, so obviously this means that America is racist.Umm... no. America is racist because blacks are imprisoned at rates that are disproportionate to rate of crimes that the commit. America is racist because someone is more likely to receive the death penalty if they kill a white person than a black person. America is racist because a black person is more likely to receive a death sentence than a white person committing a similar crime and with a similar criminal history. Seriously... didn't I ask you to stop commenting? I am tired of correcting your lies. Please just go somewhere else and spout your crap.
I suppose this is "crap" too:
Is the Criminal-Justice System Racist? No: the high percentage of blacks behind bars reflects crime rates, not bigotry: In 1997, criminologists Robert Sampson and Janet Lauritsen reviewed the massive literature on charging and sentencing. They concluded that “large racial differences in criminal offending,” not racism, explained why more blacks were in prison proportionately than whites and for longer terms. A 1987 analysis of Georgia felony convictions, for example, found that blacks frequently received disproportionately lenient punishment. A 1990 study of 11,000 California cases found that slight racial disparities in sentence length resulted from blacks’ prior records and other legally relevant variables. A 1994 Justice Department survey of felony cases from the country’s 75 largest urban areas discovered that blacks actually had a lower chance of prosecution following a felony than whites did and that they were less likely to be found guilty at trial. Following conviction, blacks were more likely to receive prison sentences, however—an outcome that reflected the gravity of their offenses as well as their criminal records.
I haven't had a chance to take a look at these, but having read numerous studies on the issue, the studies that show racial discrimination far outweigh the studies that show no racial discrimination.
From lowering standards of admission to universities to blaming the high number of black men in prison for violent crimes on white racism to decades of cultivating black victimhood and the subsequent Wright-like rage against America, liberals and their party, the Democrats, have immeasurably hurt African-Americans and America.
Ah yes... Dennis Praeger - the completely unbaised, fair, and balanced pundit.
Dennis Praeger said so, so it must be true.
What bothers me about all of this is that Obama is basically a foreign born black, he wasn't raised in our society and doesn't have any roots in American Slavery. He was raised in a Muslim culture and is ignorant of American race relations. What he is doing is going to backlash on a number of very good friends of mine who are Americans of conservative nature who are black. They are going to suffer for Obama's complete arrogance. He and the media have set race relations in this country back forty years....hide and watch, I'm right, this is going to undo what we have all worked for for all of these years...The new jim crow is about to emerge, quietly and insidiously and with the blessings of the left.
May the God that the liberals don't believe in help us all. What bothers me about all of this is that Obama is basically a foreign born black,Obama is foreign born? Since when? he wasn't raised in our society and doesn't have any roots in American Slavery.Obama wasn't raised in "our" society? Since when? Obama lived in Indonesia for three years. He has lived in the Unites States for the other 44 years of his life. He and the media have set race relations in this country back forty yearsHow the hell has Obama set back race relations in this country? The new jim crow is about to emergeWhat?!?! So because Obama is going to be come President, we are going to have a new Jim Crow era? Where there is legal segregation? First of all, we already have legal segregation, and it is called the public school system. But second, how is Obama going to usher in legal segregation? May the God that the liberals don't believe in help us all.I don't believe in God? That is news to me. Liberals don't believe in God? Also news to me. Stop making things up. Stop lying. Or at least go do it somewhere else other than my blog.
Jeff, you will not be able to get the Leftists to see that Obama is bad news for America, because he thinks exactly like they do. By "change" he means that he plans to change America into a completely different country:
Wright views the United States as a criminal nation. Here is a typical passage: "Do you see God as a God who approves of Americans taking other people's countries? Taking other people's women? Raping teenage girls and calling it love (as in Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings)?" Anyone who does think this way, Wright suggests, should revise his notion of God. Implicitly drawing on Marxist "dependency theory," Wright blames Africa's troubles on capitalist exploitation by the West, and also on inadequate American aid: "Some analysts would go so far as to even call what [the United States, the G-8, and multinational corporations] are doing [in Africa] genocide!" In order for Wright's beliefs to be 'irrelevant' it becomes necessary for you to believe that somehow Obama holds beliefs entirely in opposition to his lifelong spiritual mentor. This is the snake oil that the Democrats will try to peddle for the next six months.
Didn't I ask you to go away?
i'm white skinned and im not an opressor of anybody- in the past generations white colored people have been racist to black colored people, but that is ending in our country- there should be no racism whatsoever unless this country wants to fall apart and be segregated again- that goes for both sides. My parents, even my grandparents and great grandparents never opressed any black colored people, neither were they racist people as far as I know. But I do know that there are more and more racist people who have black skin now than white people in the us and any kind of racism is BAD. There are funds specifcally for black colored people, there are groups for black colored people, there's a little organization called the black panthers- there are alot of accepted black corporations- any corporation that discriminates against the color of your skin is a racist organization- those are racist organizations.
I am so glad I get to hear almost everyday how whites have oppressed blacks in this country, but never hear how Irish were also slaves in this country, too. I guess that don't count because they are white. I guess what also doean't count is that free blacks also owned black slaves. It's the blacks teens shooting black teens in the streets with gang violence. Europe did not have black slavery there, yet their black residential areas are no different than here. Excuses reflect ignorance, reverse-racism is never a fix, it is only revenge. You can't tell me the black American is any more oppressed today than anyone else here. Africa has had more black oppression than any other continent. It was black people destroying each other and oppressing each other before the white man came and will be that way when the white man is gone. Every race has had it's turn as both oppressor and slave, you are not a special case. Skin color does not define a man as good or evil, his heart does...and his skin color does not define his heart.
Anyone who has read even a page from Obama's book knows with out a doubt that he is a racist. What is even more troublesome is his obvious alligence to the muslims. And in case any of you nice people want to get mad about my bringing up the muslims, you do remember 9/11 don't you? It wasn't catholics or jews steering those airplanes.
Quote from Barack Obama’s book, Dreams Of My Father: “THE PERSON WHO MADE ME PROUDEST OF ALL, though, WAS HALF BROTHER (roy).. HE CONVERTED TO ISLAM.” From ‘Dreams of my Father’, “In Indonesia, I SPENT TWO YEARS IN A MUSLIM SCHOOL, ..I STUDIED THE KORAN”. From ‘Audacity of Hope: “LOLO (Obama’s step father) FOLLOWED..ISLAM....” “I LOOKED TO LOLO FOR GUIDANCE. From ‘The Audacity Of Hope, “I WILL STAND WITH THE MUSLIMS should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
Anyone who has read even a page from Obama's book knows with out a doubt that he is a racist. That is funny... bcause I have have read every page of Obama's books, and I didn't see any racism in there. And of course you provide ZERO examples.
“THE PERSON WHO MADE ME PROUDEST OF ALL, though, WAS HALF BROTHER (roy).. HE CONVERTED TO ISLAM.”Nice use of the ellipsis... very well played. That way we have ABSOLUTELY no way to understand the context. Of course... even the quote you gave shows zero allegiance to Islam. In Indonesia, I SPENT TWO YEARS IN A MUSLIM SCHOOL, ..I STUDIED THE KORAN”.Another abuse of the ellipsis - well done. And again, studying the Koran shows no allegiance to anything, especially considering he was a little kid. LOLO (Obama’s step father) FOLLOWED..ISLAM....” “I LOOKED TO LOLO FOR GUIDANCE.More abuse of the ellipsis. You are getting really good. Yet even so, I see no allegiance to Islam. I WILL STAND WITH THE MUSLIMS should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.Nice. You completely lack understanding of what he is saying. He is saying that he is willing to stand up against popular opinion about Muslims if said popular opinion becomes ugly. Good for him. Now... do me a favor and go pedal your "Obama is racist" crap somewhere else. I don't have time for it.
Hey Dave.... Have you listened to Rev. David Manning and Bill Cosy on why blacks have such horrific stats on schooling, crime, unwed mothers, and ssuc?
Cosy? No... but Cosby? Yes.
And I have no idea who Rev. David Manning is. And wow... just went searching for Manning. And anyone who goes around saying Obama "pimps" women has zero credibility. And Obama was "born trashed?" And "this long legged freak?" And then he goes on to say, "I am your last hope." Are you kidding me? And this is the guy you are using to base anything on? Are you serious?
More...
Belittling Obama's white mom? Seriously? Wow. Wow. Wow.
From Dreams of My Father, " I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER'S RACE".
Obama is a damaged human being, still looking for a black father to love him, and resenting the white race that nurtured him precisely because they loved him enough to do so. This is a pathetic story of a twisted young man in search of a masculine identity. The parallels to Hitler's Mein Kampf are striking.
Huh? The fact that he is/was willing to talk about it shows pretty clearly that he HAS dealt with it.
You are quoting him talking about his journey, his struggle, to deal with his racial identity. And you are using it to distort who he is. And Mein Kampf? Seriously? Go peddle that crap somewhere else.
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HELLO TO EARTH! HIS MOM IS WHITE! AND HE HAS A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH HER! HIS FATHER WAS A BLACK KENYAN WHO LEFT HIS MOTHER, when Barack was 2 years old! use your brains. how can he be racist? he hates his own??? people, stop watching fox and learn the fact that he is bi racial, hello, welcome to earth. WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO HATE WHITES IF HIS MOM IS WHITE>>>????
everybody has made a good point about obama, the truth is we will never know if he is a racist or not. even if he is elected president as a racist black man he still has to answer to congress and the american poeple. judging by how far we have come i dont think that this country will let a black supremist take advantage of this power. but i would also like to stress that blacks are just as racist if not more so now a days than whites. I was reading someones passage saying that the black power group ses nothing compared to some white circles (although ive seen my fair share of racism frome whites) you cant help but notice that black power is on a much larger scale than any other white supremist group today. If you watch our tv you can see that black publicly humiliating whites is a common occurance and is excepted. whites now a days would not be able to get a way with even a quarter of this public display of racism. Im not saying im a racist and i dont support african americans when they need to be supported, im just saying most of you are living in the past, get outa the history books and pay attention to life as it is now.
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no race, no color,
why the black ?
Lets just face it. If Obama was white, he wouldn't be as popular as he is. Because he is black, he (Obama) is untouchable.
I love it when white liberals say "Oh, it's okay for blacks to be racist." That shit is so funny. It's not okay for ANYONE to be racist.
I love it when white liberals say "Oh, it's okay for blacks to be racist."Uhh... what "white liberals" said that in this thread?
Are you really that dense? Or naive? Have you even looked at Trinity United's Web site? It's plain as day that they are all about African pride, and not America or even God.
Are you really that dense? Or naive? Have you even looked at Trinity United's Web site?No, No, and Yes. Thanks for asking though. It's plain as day that they are all about African pride, and not America or even God.Ah yes. The classic, "claim something is true without backing it up" tactic. Well done.
I have a problem with any preacher who uses a blashimpy when giving Sunday service. There is no way that any kind of church should get away with that.
Also I have studied black supremacy groups and I have found that these are people who follow in the same hate mentality as the white supremacists, after all why else would they call Israel a "dirty word."
TUCC is not a black supremacist church or group.
I am in the Uk and have just come on here and to me, Obama did play the race card, but not heavily, enough for african americans to vote his way. At the end of the day, martin luther king said - A man should not be judged by the colour of his skin, but his charcter. Obama wants change which as a brit sounds alot better then what the world has had to put up with.
hi everyone. i actually just read a news article about barack defending his friend who was mistreated by police. as i also dont know the facts its hard to say but i am white and have been equally mistreated or belittled by officers i pay with my taxes. now all i can think is that sometimes people use their race as a scapegoat as to why they have the right to conduct life in a way deemed unsatisfactory to todays standards. remember tho before you accuse or be accused everyone was all the same before the continents split. the same race. all from the same people. live in the sun and your skin grows darker. but that man with different features from earths climate, is your distant ancestor. peace brothers and sisters. obama is a good guy you can see it in his face. if your looking. and his good attributes arent shown nearly as much as his shortcomings.
ive been a witness to obama helping people of all weathered appearances. lets wait to pass judgement upon obama and when you already have feel remorse if and when your wrong. no need to quote me on anything i said i am just passing through. peace and love brothers and sisters. Leave a comment:
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